Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 22:04:28 +0100 From: Paul Barclay Subject: [O] NetRep Reply 540 ======================================================================= NetRep Reply number 540 to the Magic: the Gathering List ======================================================================= This reply covers the digests: MTG-L Digest - 1 May 2000 to 2 May 2000 - Special issue (#2000-131) MTG-L Digest - 2 May 2000 (#2000-132) MTG-L Digest - 2 May 2000 to 3 May 2000 - Special issue (#2000-133) MTG-L Digest - 3 May 2000 (#2000-134) MTG-L Digest - 4 May 2000 to 5 May 2000 (#2000-136) MTG-L Digest - 5 May 2000 to 6 May 2000 (#2000-137) MTG-L Digest - 6 May 2000 to 7 May 2000 (#2000-138) MTG-L Digest - 7 May 2000 to 8 May 2000 (#2000-139) Older replies may be found at: http://www.second-hand.demon.co.uk ftp://ftp.magic.asuka.net http://www.yavapaiopen.com http://www.en.magic.asuka.net http://www.wizards.com/dci/judge/judgelistarchive.asp (note the new Yavapai Open address) SHORT ANSWERS: ======================================================================= ** If you discard a card as a cost when Library of Leng is in play, you can't put it on top of your library. Only discards due to an effect, such as Hymn to Tourach or Mind Twist can be put onto the Library. ** Players dying due to Poison counters, and due to drawing a card from an empty library are both State-Based Effects. ** Please don't post announcements of auctions or sales to this list. There are other lists specifically set up for that purpose. ** Enchant Worlds are still Enchant Worlds. ** http://www.wizards.com/magic/ has checklists and spoiler lists for all the sets, and all the odd stuff like preconstructed decks. ** Triggered abilities are written on cards. They can do almost anything, and use the Stack in a similar way to normal spells and abilities. If a paragraph on a card starts with "Whenever", "When" or "At the", then it's a triggered ability. ** State-Based Effects are only written on the rules. They "clean up" illegal situations in the game - such as creatures with lethal damage still being in play, or a player with 0 or less life still being alive. Every single State-Based Effect kills something in some way. State-Based Effects don't use the Stack. They're checked and resolved all at the same time. LONG ANSWERS: ======================================================================= [David Adriano, asking about Engineered Plague] >if i have a flailing soldier in play and my opponent >cast 2 EP named "soldiers" i can save him with >"turn_pay_of_1_generic_mana" or he will sudden die You can save him until the end of the turn by paying {1} before the second Plague resolves. Of course, you won't know that your opponent will name "Soldier" for the second Plague. ----- [Michael Kastberg, asking about Wild Mammoth] >Wild Mammoth: Text(NE): 3/4. ; At the beginning of your upkeep, if a >player controls more creatures than any other, that player gains >control of ~this~. > >'that player' referres to 'a player' - so when the ability resolves, >'that player' - which initally "caused" the ability to trigger - >should gain control of the WM. The "if" condition is checked on announcement and resolution. "That player" refers to the second time it's checked (because the control change is ----- [Bob Terrell, asking about Wild Mammoth] >And in a multiplayer game, that could be everyone minus one. For example: 6 >players controlling 9,7,6,5,3,1 creatures. The one with 3 controls more than >the player with 1. 5 has more than 3 and 1. 6 beats 5,3,1. And so on. In this case "a player" means "one, and only one player". ----- [Bob Terrell, asking about Tokens] >Okay, here's another IQ: why should tokens be removed from the game when they >go to _any_ other zone? After all, spells and abilities that search other >zones specifically search for _cards_ in those zones. And you can't play >tokens from your hand. That's correct, but it doesn't make sense to have them hanging around in all sorts of places (especially with instructions like "shuffle your library"), and it just keeps the game tidy. ----- [Bob Terrell, asking about triggered abilities] >So if the MB's enter at the same time as the Ogre, then nothing is in play >before another, and the MB's abilities can't trigger off the Ogre. No. Triggered abilities don't trigger until just after the event that they trigger off (remember that abilities only work in the "in-play" zone unless stated otherwise). This allows stuff like Humility and Nature's Revolt to affect the cards before their abilities trigger: 1. Stuff comes into play all at once. 2. Continuous Effects are applied. 3. Any appropriate triggered abilities trigger. 4. State-Base Effects are checked 5. Triggered Abilities are put onto the Stack Stuff that triggers on leaving play triggers just before it leaves play. {Trample} >It changed for Mirage too? Then I count 3. When Gaseous Form was reworded for >6th, that changed Trample's interaction with it. That wasn't a change to the Trample rules. That was a change to the wording of Gaseous Form. {Delphi test} >What's considered a passing score for that, anyway? 100%. :-) (you have to be _really_ good) ----- [Ingo Warnke, talking about Wild Mammoth] >At the beginning of your upkeep, a player of your choice that has most >life/controls most creatures gains control of ~this~. I'll pass this suggestion back to the Rules Team. ----- [Johan Sonck, asking about "may...to..." and "may...if..."] >Is this template the same as " may pay . If he or she >does, do ." ? If there is a difference, could you explain >what it is? This isn't the same. "May {do X}. If you do, {do Y}" all happens during the resolution of the ability - it doesn't set up any sort of additional ability. "X" isn't a cost at all. With "May {do X} to {do Y}", "X" is a cost, and Y is done at the resolution of the additional ability. This is mildly confusing, but is done to allow people to respond to stuff like Planar Collapse with the knowledge of what's going to happen. ----- [Jacek Gadomski, asking about Pouncing Jaguar] >I have in play Pouncing Jaguar with f.ex. Brilliant Halo on it. So the P/T >of my creature is 3/4. My opponent plays Humble targeting Jaguar. >What will be the P/T of my creature: Jaguar will be simply 0/1 creature Correct. The Humble is timestamped after the Halo, so it makes the 3/4 creature into a 0/1. If you then played Might of Oaks on the Jaguar, it would become 7/8. ----- [Juhan Kaldre, asking about turn procedures] >I read a tournament report from Star City. Let me quote: >"Declaring an action in response to Discard puts me back in Main Step." This is incorrect, and also bordering on cheating. I mailed the editors of Star City, but they haven't replied or posted a clarification yet. >A few weeks ago another player wrote that his opponent went back to his >first main phase, when he bounced his opponent's Opalescence. Then he >re-cast it and attacked again with his animated enchantments. This could be true, depending on when the Opalescence was bounced. If it was bounced in the Combat phase, this isn't possible. ----- [Michael Schweikert, asking about Flicker] >Would using a "Flicker" on a permanent with fading cause the fade counters >to reset (such as "Defender en_Vec")? Yes, that's correct. ----- [Tom Skalski, asking some questions] >1) If my opponent plays and echo creature, and on the next turn I play >an enchantment which increases their effective casting cost (Invoke >Prejudice, Gloom etc), will it increase his echo cost? No. These cards only increase the "play cost" of the spell. They don't increase the "mana cost" (the symbols in the top right hand corner of the card), which is what Echo looks at. >2) Skulking Fugitive is targetted by Rancor. Will the Rancor fizzle and >go to the graveyard due to the Fugitive's disadvantage? Yes, that's correct. >3) Does the Kismet, Stasis, Chronotog combo I saw recently work? Yes. You skip your turns, so you don't have to pay anything for Stasis, and your opponent's stuff all comes into play tapped. ----- [Charles Bienvenue, asking about Mishra's Factory] >Is that true when you tap mishra factory to get a coloress mana you can >in the same time use it to transform it in 2/2 and attack ? No, of course not - it will be tapped. >and also ... mishra factory don't suffer of summon sickness ? Everything suffers from Summoning Sickness if it becomes a creature and hasn't been in play since the most recent start of your turn. ----- [Stefan Tisu, asking about abilities with TAP costs] >You mean that cards that have two separate abilities that >require the card to be taped i can use both abilities? You can't do this unless you can untap the card somehow. ----- [Charles Bienvenue, asking about targeting] >I have a MetathranSoldier enchant with a sigil of sleep >I attack my opponent ... (my opponent have two creatures a Morphling >and a Ophidian). and a choose to return the Morphling but my >opponent tap a island and use the ability cannot be the target of spell >and ability to the Morphling.... He said that i cannot return the >Morphling in is hand ,,, i said is right so i tell him because the >Morphling is protect i must target the Ophidian .... he said i cannot >and the effect of the sigil of sleep is cancel ... He's correct. You chose the Morphling as the target of the Sigil's ability, and he responded to that by making it unable to be the target of spells and abilities. So, the Sigil's ability was countered on resolution. You don't get to choose a new target. Also, please try to add a linebreak into your posts every seventy characters or so. It makes things much easier to read. Paul. - -------------------------------------------------NEW-PHONE-NUMBER-- - - Paul Barclay -- paul@second-hand.demon.co.uk -- Phone: 07939 081819 - - DCI Level 3 judge ---- http://www.second-hand.demon.co.uk/index.htm - - Official MTG-L Network Representative for Wizards of the Coast, Inc -